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The Unconditional: Leadership, Values, and Growth with NASA Aerospace Engineer Andy Crocker
We explore why values outlast achievements and how to lead under pressure without compromising integrity. Andy Crocker shares lessons from aerospace, the five core values in his book The Unconditionals, and practical ways to grow through failure, mentor well, and adopt AI responsibly.
• defining success as values alignment not outcomes
• integrity in data, decisions and trust
• love at work as respect, kindness and compassion
• endeavor as purpose, perseverance and growth
• handling pressure without shortcuts
• mentoring as culture transfer and accountability
• learning new tools like AI with transparency
• where to find The Unconditionals and connect with Andy
Andy breaks down the five values from The Unconditionals—love, gratitude, integrity, accountability, and endeavor—and how they guide leaders when pressure, setbacks, or tough decisions hit. They dig into honest data, compassionate accountability, and the discipline of continuous learning as technology and expectations evolve. Andy also shares mentorship practices that build capability and confidence across a team. It’s a grounded conversation for anyone wanting to lead with clarity, character, and resilience.
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Welcome to Unpack Podcast with your host, Leadership Consultant, Ron Harvey of Global Core Strategies and Consulting. Ron believes that leadership is the fundamental driver towards making a difference. So now, to find out more of what it means to unpack leadership, here's your host, Ron Harvey.
SPEAKER_02:Good morning, everyone. Well, let me change that. Good afternoon. It's 12 o'clock up in Columbia, South Carolina, depending on where you're listening from and what day you're listening to this. But good afternoon. Ron Harvey, Chief Operating Officer, also Vice President for Global Core Strategies and Consulting, which is a leadership development for professional services where we help our organizations and all of our partners help their leaders be better prepared to lead their workforce with all the different generations and do it in a way that people want to work with them and come alongside them and help them be successful. So everything we do is around people and leaders, communication and trust. And those things that sometimes can be challenged in the workforce. But today I'm not here really to talk about Global Core. I'm really here to talk about Unpack with Ron Harvey, which is a podcast that we've been doing for the last 18 months. And we invite guests from all backgrounds, all walks of life. And we talk about some of the challenges and the things that we've accomplished and the books that we've written and the services that we offer. But our number one goal is to add value to you, that you walk with one thing from this podcast that helps you be more effective at whatever it is, or wherever you're leading that, or whoever you're taking care of, you're better fit to do it. And that's what we talk about. So I'm super excited. Our guest um is coming from Alabama. Andy's on with us, and I'm gonna move out the way as I normally do and invite the guests to the microphone and let them introduce themselves however they wish to.
SPEAKER_00:Andy, the floor is yours, man. Great, Ron, thanks so much for having me. I really, really am honored to be on and appreciate the opportunity. Uh yeah, I'm Andy Crocker. I have been in the aerospace business. I'm an aerospace engineer and been in the aerospace business for 30 years. Um, when I say aerospace, some people think of airplanes, but but I've always worked on the space side. And um, and that means I've worked with NASA, I've worked with uh the defense department, I've worked with commercial space companies uh throughout my career, sending satellites and rockets and uh very things, various things to space. So uh so that's been my career, and uh uh it's been a it's been a great career to have. Um, a lot of exciting projects, uh as you can imagine, in in the space world. Um in particular, I've I've been able to be a leader in in space and have led uh people and projects. And uh one of my one of my recent projects over the last uh several years has been uh managing a team to develop a lander to go back to the moon. And uh, and that's something that was an exciting project. Uh got had uh successes and failures with that, and uh both as a result of that and just a result of kind of the the normal things in life, I decided to write a book uh called The Unconditionals, uh, which is uh about values, uh specifically values that help us as people, as parents, but also as leaders. And um, and and those values are important to me, and I wanted to share them with with other people. So I wrote that book. And uh and you can find out more about me and about the book if you go to andycrockerbooks.com.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yeah. Andy, I love it that you keep it simple. You know, if you know his name, you can find this book, you can find out more about his organization. Um, and you can ask some questions and reach out for everyone that followed podcasts or anybody that's a podcaster or looking for other guests, definitely reach out to either one of us. Um, and and rate this show. So I'm telling I'm asking everyone, please rate the show. Go out and give us some testimonials, like us, let people know, share it with you. I mean, podcasts are built off of influence and people supporting you. So love your support for all of you that are listening. And let's let's jump into it, man. I mean, I know you got a copy of the book, so let's go ahead and show the book real quick. And then work, but what else can they find it other than just your stuff? Okay, the unconditionals.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the unconditional. So you can find it on uh pretty much any place that you normally find books, whether it's on uh e-reader or uh hardback or paperback or even on audiobook, uh, you can find it on pretty much every platform. Uh so you can find it on Amazon if that's your preference, but certainly uh other platforms too. Uh, if you go to andycrockerbooks.com, uh there's a link there, and it'll it'll literally literally open up every uh option that's available to you, and you can just click and go to whatever format you like and and find it there.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I love it. I love it. So I'll I'll I'll become a purchaser of it. I love reading, and I'm always excited when our guests come along with the book or something that continues to help me learn and understand and have the perspectives, which I think is a unique thing about oh, I see the world as I'm always thinking, well, how else can this be done and how else can it be said and what else can be done with it? So if you're listening to us, you know that I'm always trying to figure out what else. Uh so let's dive into it. So let's say, you know, I'm I'm definitely interested in your book. What would you say you wanted? You wrote it for a particular reason. What do you want the readers to walk away with?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, when so when I first started uh writing it, my my audience, my target audience when I started was my my children. Uh I wanted to write something that I could pass to my children and say, these are the things that I think are important in life. And uh got a couple of months into it and realized this is more than just a uh back of the envelope, you know, or or a notebook that I'm gonna give to my kids. This is something that uh is more than that. And I really want to, I think these values are important enough to share with others. So I decided to turn it into a book that I would that I would publish and uh and get out to the community so that others can can learn from it. Um, but it's really about, like I said, it's about values that I think are fundamental to who we are and how we approach the world and and more importantly, um how we are fulfilled as people, um, whether we're um individual contributors or leaders in our in our workplace.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I love that you say that. I love that you started writing it for your kids, which means you wanted to pass on your values to your children, but you realized it was much deeper than and bigger than that, and there are more people that can use it. A question I often actually do facilitate leadership workshops is values. When you think of that, you know, on the pack for a second, sometimes they hand it down to you by your parents, but as you get older, minds have changed a little bit from what my parents had to me and the world they lived in, how they were raised and what they did, all those things that the world changed. Have you noticed your values changing as you followed your own identity, uh your own career had your own family?
SPEAKER_00:Uh yeah, I think I I think I would say in some in some ways they've changed, in some ways they've they've solidified. I think more than anything, I understand them better now. Um I think uh I understand what's important to me now better than I used to. Um, and whether it's you know managing large projects and and coming out of them with a success or a failure, uh, I have you know been able to learn about myself and learn about what what's really important, which what the book says is it's really what's most important is who we are and and not what we achieve. And who we are is created by is made up of our values. Our values really determine who we are. So so that's um, you know, I think more than anything, it's um uh understanding the values that I have and being able to write them down and and communicate what they're about.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I will because you're you're at NASA, you've been there for a long time, and oftentimes we do uh credit it or get credit to what we do to make up who we are, our careers and our degrees and our titles and our office and been working at NASA. That's a that's a big thing. I mean, you know, I don't get to have a lot of people on the podcast that can say they've been at NASA so long doing what you're doing. But how do you get away from not making it about what you do and getting back to your values? Because the world says get an education, which I'm not saying don't. The world says your title and your job and what you drive and where you live in the neighborhood, and all these other things that that that are associated with our identity. Where did you how do you get away from it just being about that and get back to your values?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I that's difficult. Like you said, you're absolutely right. It the world is so um causes us to think that what's important is what we do and whether we achieve or not, whether we succeed or not. And um what I've learned is um those things are a result of whether we do things the right way, and that really depends on who we are. And so um, you know, if we put all of our eggs in the basket of success or or what the world says is success, um, we may have some uh achievements that we can look at and feel good about, but we're always, no matter who we are, we're always going to encounter failure. And that can really lead us to um question our own self-worth, question our own um value as people. And that's not healthy, and nor is it even right. The the right way to look at ourselves is you know, what are our values? And are we living in alignment with the values that we have, who we want to be? And in that frame, the successes and failures don't matter. I mean, yes, that they they help us to uh to grow as people, um, but but failure, one one important thing that I've learned as I've as I've discovered that values is really what's important is failure is part of growth. It's part of personal growth. So failure is actually a requirement. It's something that we have to encounter, and it's not something that's bad. It's only bad when we call it bad. Um, but if we embrace failure as part of learning about ourselves and learning to grow and learning how to do better, then uh we're gonna have a much better time at um uh feeling comfortable with who we are and feeling comfortable that we can live our values no matter what happens.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. How do you thank you, Michelle? How do you, and when you think about you at NASA and you think about where you are, you've been there for years, and you know how important the mission is and the work that you do, that we want to see the space shuttle go up, we know we want to see it come back safely. How how do you make sure that in an organization when there are tight deadlines and people want to see things done and they're rushing and want to get it done? And I'll go back to you know, when I watch the space shuttle explode, the track accident, and and how we got there, and I read the story, I read the backdrop on it, and I'll be out of Florida. How do you make sure that you don't allow the pressure that's associated with some career sometimes make you overlook and bypass or shortcut your values?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. The yeah, pressure is is a huge driver in in pushing us away from our values sometimes. And that's that's what really drove me to create the title for the book that I wrote, The Unconditionals, which is the values that we have, who we really are, should not depend on the situation. It shouldn't depend on us being, you know, in a in a uh comfortable situation, shouldn't depend on us um having no pressure. It should be the same set of values, whether we're under pressure or not, whether we're in a good situation or a difficult situation, whether someone is gonna treat us well or not. In in any situation, those should be constant values. So when the pressure comes, if we've been practicing those values and we know this is how we're gonna behave, then we can maintain the integrity, the accountability, uh, the purpose, you know, the perseverance that we need to get through the situation.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So when you think about, you know, that that pressure does happen. People, what do you tell a young leader that's coming up, that wants to get promoted, that wants to get on that big project? And it's important, it's significant to them in their careers and who they want to be seen as. How do you how did you manage when your back was against the wall to really stay true when no one was watching? You're the only one there, you're the only one that would have known that you didn't do it right. What did you actually put in place? You know, help the leaders that are young, up and coming, and and on that fence, strong the fence, whether to do it right or not do it right, whether to value it by you, what did you actually do to make sure you stayed in that life?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I so I I think one one critical thing is to so you're right. It some people think it's um it's it's really hardest to maintain your your values, especially integrity, yes, when you're uh in front of lots of people. Um, but it it can be just as hard and sometimes harder when you're when you're alone, when you're by yourself, and really the decisions that you make are only seen by you. So um, first of all, I think uh we need to remind ourselves that um even if we're the only one who can see our actions, uh, we need to align with our stay aligned with our values. So if so if integrity is one of our values, and I hope it is for for most people, then we've got to maintain that value no matter what's going on. And typically it's easy to say, but it really does uh bear out in the long run, whatever your actions are, they're going to lead to something. And so if you take action that that is not uh one with integrity, that it's out of alignment with that value of integrity, at some point it's going to come back to you. And it may not show up right away and it may take some some time, but at some point it's going to uh come back in in a way that uh that shows that, hey, that's not um you're not getting the result that you had hoped because you acted out of something that's uh that's not aligned with your value. So what we wanted to try to do is always uh act in alignment with our value, be consistent in our thoughts and our words and our actions, so that um whatever happens when it comes back to us, we can say, hey, we did what was consistent with our values and we live with the result, whether it's uh success or failure, but we can be comfortable in the fact that we did what we thought was right, we did what was consistent with who we want to be.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yes. I want to say one of the things that I think for us, you know, especially now, is being able to pass along something to the younger generation about how to get it because with social media the way it is, with everything being captured on camera, a lot a lot more than it was when I was growing up. You know, you know, we got cameras, we all be in trouble right now. I mean, there's just things that, you know, cameras are catching everything and everybody puts everything out. Can you set a time when your values were tested and and you had to do the hard right thing versus the easy the wrong thing? What ruled you back in when the peer pressure's on, you know, and for me, like you know, and I grew up, I grew up in a community where it was easy to get alcohol or to get access to drugs. I chose not to. And it was it was it was available, it was easy to get, but I chose not to do it because I wanted to be true that I'm not gonna do those things. Right. Where's opportunity where you know you share and be transparent with people? Like, hey, I everybody gets tested. Can you pass the test?
SPEAKER_00:Right. Yeah, I think um, you know, as an engineer, uh working as an aerospace engineer in my career, there are plenty of opportunities, plenty of times when you know, I'm I'm doing research and I'm uh I'm uh coming up with data that I'm trying to prove a point or I'm trying to uh convince somebody that that my particular approach is the best one. And uh I can decide to fake the data and make it make my point look stronger, make me look better, make my research look uh look more important. Um I can I can fudge the data in a way that uh that other people may not uh see, may not recognize, and and make my situation look better. And so that's something that you know just uh every day as an engineer we come in contact, we we we enter encounter is am I going to um be have integrity in the way that I present the data, whether it's positive or negative, no matter what uh comes along, I'm going to be um consistent in in how I present what I've done, and I'm gonna show exactly what it comes to. And if it makes me look good, great. If it doesn't, uh that's okay. Um, but what's more important is is how I present myself and how I'm consistent with who I say I want to be. And what the reason that's most important is people see that. People see who you are in everything that you do, the way you talk, the way you act. And and if you're not, if you don't show that consistency and you aren't having integrity in the way that you present yourself and your data in your in your research, uh, then that gets noticed. And and people uh lose trust in you and and they they don't want to, you know, don't want to work with you, don't want to put you in positions uh where they have to depend on you. So it's it's most important to um show your data, show yourself in a very consistent way that people know, hey, this is somebody I can count on no matter what happens.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I love it. I love it. Well, I'm thinking as you're talking and you're sharing the story, you know, we have access to AI now. And it's so easy to go out and get research and do research a lot faster. And schools are struggling with is it their data? Is it well, you know, and giving credit, you know. So people are, you know, with AI being, it makes you faster. Um, you still got to do it the right way and you got to give credit to us. So if you're listening, AI is a great thing, but make sure you're giving credit where credit is due and you don't take it as your own data. So you have the book out, you know, you got the unconditionals, and you talk you talk a lot about you know integrity. What are two other things that in that book that that that have been the foundation out of your values? What are two other values that are super important to you that's ground at you over the years?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I'll I'll go ahead and go ahead and name all five values that are. Absolutely, yes. Yeah, yeah, I'll name all five because I I think they're all important for for us in in the workplace, you know, as parents, as as uh friends, uh, but also as leaders. So the values are love, gratitude, integrity, accountability, and endeavor. And and all five of those are really necessary for for leaders in particular. Um, but but let me touch on um two maybe that uh folks may have questions about as leaders.
SPEAKER_02:So touch on love and I'm gonna let you off the hook, but I'm gonna unpack this love and leadership because you don't hear that coming from leaders. So, you know, whatever you want to touch on, but can you expand? Yeah, that's perfect. Love, man.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I wanted to touch on that one, Ron, because that is one where you know people say, look, you know, love doesn't belong in the workplace. And the truth is it does. And here's why. I I break down love into three parts. Uh, one is respect, one is kindness, and the other is compassion. So in in the workplace, you've got to have respect for everybody in the workplace, whether they're uh on your side or not, you know, whether they're a competitor or a or a colleague, um, you've got to have respect. And that's something that people notice right away. You know, are you showing them respect? And that comes back at you, or they're gonna show you respect as well. The second is kindness. Are we treating people with with the kindness that they deserve as a human being, you know? And if you're a leader in particular, no matter who's on your team, no matter whether they're a high performer or somebody who is similar to you, uh, or somebody who's got the same background as you, you've gotta, you've gotta show them the kindness that you would want them to show you, the kindness that they deserve as a person. And then the last piece is is compassion. And and what that means as a leader is we not only do we have sympathy for people that you know, we understand their problems, and not only do we have empathy for people, which means, you know, we feel the uh the issues that they're going through and we try to understand them. But compassion is we actually act on that. So we do something to help. And that means when we've got somebody who's working for us as a leader and they've got a difficult situation, we actively try to find ways to help uh resolve the situation, to help, you know, create a better uh situation for them. It doesn't mean that, you know, when somebody's not a good performer and they just they aren't working out for the team, it doesn't mean that you necessarily have to uh bend over backwards to to uh keep them on the team because many times the compassionate thing to do is to to help them find another opportunity. But it means that we're we're actively learning about our people and finding out uh where they're having struggles and working to help them get through those struggles, remove the barriers, and allow them to perform at their best.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I love it. And you walk through and talk about love because some people think it's weak, um, or some people think it's just giving people too much. No, there's an accountability in love, but it can be done with kindness. You know, and and I love that you say that because some people think, well, I gotta be hard or I gotta be mean or I gotta be direct, and it's just who I am. And then it has to be kindness. I mean, do you see people as a human being and how would you want to be treated? Even when you make a mistake, you know, you can treat people kind when they make mistakes. So, what are the other two you want to unpack? I know you want to unpack at least three. I mean, what are the other two that you want to unpack that has been really, really important to you and your yeah, I'll I'll jump to the last one that I mentioned.
SPEAKER_00:So endeavor, and and and that's one that people say, well, what is that? Because it's not one, it's not often called a value. But for me, endeavor, what it really means is doing. It means uh acting, you know, making uh an effort to uh produce or or or doing things in in uh in the world. And the reason I think that's so important is you can have the other four values, you can you can live in the world and be alive and and and exist without doing things. You can be a monk or you know, an ascetic and just uh survive, but you're not going to make the most of your life. You're not going to be able to grow as a person if you're not endeavoring. And so that's why I think that value is so critical. And endeavor has a lot of pieces to it. I won't go through all of it, but but a couple of the key ones is one, it starts with purpose. You have a you have a purpose. What is the what is the vision for myself? Where do I where do I need to go? It requires perseverance, and and that means encountering issues and learning how to overcome those issues. And then the thing that really comes out of endeavor, the thing that really is the the reason for endeavor is growth. And that's why I think it's so important as a value is we as people need to grow. We constantly need to find ways to become better, to do more, to be more of a contributor to the family and to the workplace and to the community. And that requires growth as a person, and that comes from endeavor. Ryan, I lost you. I can't hear you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, thanks. That's on me. Thank you for that. Yeah, I mean, thank you for sharing. I mean, you gave a lot of great information and insight around the book and the work that you're doing and the and the values. I want to shift a little bit for you away from the book. I want to shift back to something that's important. What role has mentor mentoring played in your success? You know, you've been with NASA for a while and and you started, you know, and where you are now. What role has mentoring played and how did you find a mentor?
SPEAKER_00:I I've been really fortunate in that the people who have been my assigned managers kind of throughout my career have have had a heart for mentoring. And so uh I haven't had to go search for mentors. I've that's just been something I've been lucky, uh, where I've been able to lean on the people who've been my managers and learn from them, and and they've all been willing to uh to mentor me. So from the first uh jobs I've had out of out of college. Um and then as I've grown, as I've learned, um, I've really because I've been so fortunate and because I've been able to learn from from the people who have been my managers, uh, I've wanted to mentor others. And so um once I got to the point where I felt like I was a uh an experienced uh person, an engineer, and you know, leader, manager, uh I've really looked for opportunities to to mentor others. Most of the time for me, it's just been you know a natural um something that's just evolved naturally to where someone happens to um connect with me, or for whatever reason we come in contact in a way that that provides an opportunity for mentoring. And and I really look forward to those opportunities to share wisdom about you know places I've made mistakes and try to help them avoid those mistakes, or or places where you know maybe I've made some decisions that have worked out and uh and offer you know suggestions for how they might do those things. So again, a lot of it's just been uh being in the right place, uh, the right time. And I think a lot is also just taking the opportunities when they've presented themselves to learn from others who have that experience that I can learn from and then be available to other people when uh when they've needed uh mentoring.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I love it. I love it. The last question, then we'll come back to where the notified book again, your contact information. Well, why would you tell leaders that have risen to the point of making sure that they are constantly learner? I mean, the world continues to evolve, things continue to change. What do you tell the leader that that's sitting in the seat like you're not that's been around for a while about continuing to retool, reskill, continue to be assumed to learn? What would you tell those people?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I that's a great question because I really do think being a consistent lifelong learner is critical. It for me, it goes back to growth. I think um it's so easy for us to get to a point where we achieve something, we're successful in something we've tried to do, and and we want to just rest on those laurels. You know, we want to just stay where we are because it's comfortable. Uh, and that that leads to stagnation. You know, you you kind of said uh there that it's easy for us to um uh just stay where we are and not learn about the new things that the new challenges that are coming in the world or the new uh things that we have to uh to go encounter in our in our workplace as a leader. And so we have to keep in mind that um part of being unconditional with our endeavor is that we have to constantly be growing as people. And that means learning new things, it means uh figuring out what challenges are coming that we haven't faced before, and then exposing ourselves to the discomfort of facing those new challenges. So uh just focusing on growth as a person, and I think with that comes that kind of learning.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I love it. And I'm sure in the years you've been in NASA, you've watched it change, you've had to change, you've had to grow. And and there was a time in my career where I was uh very, very competent, and then something changed, and all of a sudden I went from this level of high competition to I'm not sure what to do next. So I felt very incompetent. How do you close that gap? Because it changes, and as that's changed, AI is out. People say, AI it's gonna replace humans. I think it's gonna make us faster, we'll make the adjustment and it won't replace humans. But how do you make sure you can close the gap where you go from this place of being very confident and competent to being incompetent and no confidence? How do you close that gap?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I well, I I think it requires action. It requires, you know, the willingness to the understanding that you're gonna experience discomfort, you're gonna be uncomfortable with with uh facing new challenges and just acknowledging that you know I'm gonna have to do that and then just stepping into it. So AI is a great example. Uh, you know, hey, AI is gonna challenge uh how we do our our work in whatever situation we are, whatever job we have. And let's just, you know, slowly step into it. Let me let me go figure out how Chat GPT works, let me go understand these tools and and how I can use them. Um, you know, it's not gonna be something that happens overnight, but um, but I can slowly step by step become aware of okay, this is how this this challenge is gonna um manifest itself in in my situation. And by understanding it, by be making myself uncomfortable, but but understanding it better, uh, I'll be better prepared to deal with it.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I I love it. Thank you, thank you so much. Um Ed, it's been phenomenal. Let's go back to the book, the title of the book, and and where people can find it. And then once you finish that, you know, how do people get in touch with you?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, thanks uh again. So the unconditionals is the name of the book. You can find it uh pretty much any platform where you normally look for books. So If you go to AndycrockerBooks.com, uh, that's the simplest way. You can click on a button there and it'll take you to uh any place where you normally will find books. Uh and again, it's available on any platform. So if you like to listen to books in the car, you can find the audiobook, uh, e-reader, uh, hard copy, any of those. Um, and you can also find me on LinkedIn, just uh Andy Crocker, and I'd be I'd love to interact with you if you've got questions about the book or my career or anything.
SPEAKER_02:That's so awesome. And if someone reaches out to you on LinkedIn and want to purchase the book, how do they get a signed copy?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, uh, yeah, if you want a signed copy, absolutely. Uh LinkedIn would be great. Just uh just look me up, Andy Crocker, um, on LinkedIn and let me know you bought the book and we'll figure it out. I can I can send you a a uh a signed hard copy. We can we can make that happen.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome. And thank you so much. Thank you. I mean, phenomenal, and I'm glad to have you on the show and talk about values and just you know it comes up in the conversation and you own a book about it. And I tell people all the time, like I think we we gotta get back to the value systems. Uh I think we've slipped a little bit and we've kind of let anything kind of happen without anybody speaking up. Um, and when you don't speak up, you've you've kind of set the stage a little bit different. So I think it it takes courage to live your values. It does. Yeah, it takes a lot of courage. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Any any last minute words you want to share with the audience before we close out? I I just want to say thank you, uh Ron. I really appreciate it. Uh love, love your podcast. I've listened to some episodes and think you do a great job. And it's just so important to uh bring uh diverse people from from different backgrounds with their experience. So I really appreciate what you do and just thank you for the opportunity.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I appreciate all the guests. Thank you so much for coming on, being yourself and being authentic and sharing on this podcast. It's really just about that, like bringing people with all backgrounds to the show to share something that's gonna help our audience. And you've done a phenomenal job in order to the audience. Hopefully, y'all have enjoyed it. Hopefully, you share it with some of your colleagues and your friends. If you want to reach NDRI, definitely I'm on LinkedIn. Um, if most professionals, you'll find us on LinkedIn. If you listen to the podcast, you're not on LinkedIn, get on LinkedIn. Um, it's the professional platform. Uh I know there are tons of social media out there, but I'm on LinkedIn. It's probably the one I use more than I use any other one. If you're not using the AI, figure it out. Get on there. And the the as a matter of fact, every day that you wait, the further you fall behind because it's changing so fast. So, you know, I have to be on AI every day because it changes so fast. And the last thing I'll leave with you build great relationships with people. Don't burn bridges you must cross. People always matter. Take care of your team, and your team will take care of you. And until next time, and then I will sign off and tell you, please go right and review our podcast. Um, tell your friends about us. Love to have more participation and support in the podcast. Um, love what we do. Thank y'all so much, and y'all have a wonderful day. And until next time, we're gonna sign off. Uh, have a great one, everyone.
SPEAKER_01:Well, we hope you enjoyed this edition of Unpack Podcast with leadership consultant Ron Harvey. Remember to join us every Monday as Ron Unpacks Sound Advice, providing real answers for real leadership challenges. Until next time, remember to add value and make a difference where you are or the people you serve. Because people always matter.
