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The Rules Have Changed: Conscious Leadership, Culture, and the Power of Collaboration with Dr. Cornelia Shipley Bearyman
Leadership consultant Dr. Cornelia Shipley Bearyman shares how bringing humanity to work creates competitive advantage for businesses and why innovation happens at the intersection of differing viewpoints. She reveals why understanding that leadership is fundamentally about "bringing the weather" transforms organizational culture and performance.
• Leadership is about setting the context in which work gets done
• Innovation happens at the point of conflict when diverse minds come together
• Leaders often make the mistake of expecting everyone to think like them
• Personal bias can cost leaders everything from talent to entire businesses
• The difference between being "kind" (valuable) vs being "nice" (disingenuous)
• Traditional hierarchical leadership models stifle innovation
• Leaders must recognize all business problems are people problems
• Mentorship and coaching are essential for continuous growth
• Your life reflects the five people you spend the most time with
• You don't get what you deserve in life—you get what you tolerate
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Welcome to Unpacked Podcast with your host leadership consultant, ron Harvey of Global Core Strategies and Consulting. Ron believes that leadership is the fundamental driver towards making a difference. So now to find out more of what it means to unpack leadership, here's your host, ron Harvey.
Speaker 2:Well, good morning. This is Ron Harvey. I'm the vice president, the chief operating officer for Global Core Strategies and Consulting. We're a professional services firm that do all leadership, development and training for organizations and, to really make it easy for you to understand, we spend all of our time making sure our leaders are better connected to their workforce the people who actually do the work and help companies be successful. That's in the hour after hour after hour getting the strategic plan done, if you will, the heavy lifting of that. So we help our leaders be better connected. But every single week we bring guests on our show and we do unpack with Ron Harvey. So I'm happy to have the podcast going.
Speaker 2:Thank you all for following us and all that do follow us. I'm super excited about our guests and if you follow me, you know I never introduced them. I really invite them to introduce themselves for two reasons I don't want to mess up what they want to talk about and who they are and what they do, and it doesn't require me to remember all of it either. So I want to take the route that's probably most effective not easy, but effective allow them to introduce themselves. So I'm super excited to have Dr Cornelia with us, who's been a good friend for a long time, a colleague, a peer, a mentor. I probably mentored her a couple of times as well, but we did a lot together and so excited to have her. Plus, she's coming to our leadership conference on October the 3rd. So, Dr Cornelia, let me hand you the microphone.
Speaker 3:Well, first of all, Ron, it's wonderful to see you. Please tell Maya and Linda that I said hello. I haven't seen them in so long. I can't believe she's graduated Like. That's insane. But I'm Dr Cornelia Shipley Berryman, CEO and founder of 3C Consulting, a firm that specializes in the retention and advancement of mission critical talent. So, similar to Global Core Strategies, we work at the intersection of leadership, development, people, strategy and culture. I'm the author of the best-selling book, which is right there, called Design your Life how to Create a Meaningful Life, Advance your Career and Live your Dreams. My PhD is in conscious leadership and conscious business, and we help organizations really think about understanding the metaphysical principles and the conscious leadership principles that drive all of the results that you get in your life, whether you think you're governed by them or not, and so super excited to be here to have this conversation with you today.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm excited. We've been talking about this for a while. You know one thing I tell her she puts the work in and she's like look, we've been talking about this when I'm coming on the show, Ron, I'm so happy to have you on the show. You've done phenomenal in watching your work. I tell everybody that follow us, especially me as a business owner, Dr Keneally is people that do what you do. How do you build partnerships and relationships? I think oftentimes we get it confused, competing against people that you can collaborate with. You've done a phenomenal job, so thank you for your friendship and your partnerships, and as we do the work together, we're in different communities and it's a joy to watch.
Speaker 3:congratulations on becoming dr cornelia thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, I mean, you're right, we've been collaborating now it's been a decade, if I have my math right. Um, between you know work you and your team have done with my for my clients, and work me and my team have done for your clients, and I think, ultimately, both you and I have a similar philosophy. Right, it's really about saying what is the thing that the client needs? Yes, who is the person that can best deliver what needs to be delivered in service to our clients? And you know, I have team members now that I met through you, right, and you have team members now that you met through me. So, yeah, it's been a wonderful opportunity to collaborate together. You know, you were there when we celebrated my PhD, and so this has been a journey around, both personally and professionally, getting a chance to support each other and be a part of each other's lives and families, and all of that.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, thank you so much. So we get to talk about Unpack, we have real conversations. We kind of let people behind the curtain. What I found over my years of doing this work and we've both grown a lot, we've learned a lot. We've changed our business models and our mindset a lot. You supported Partner to Empower, which is a program that helps entrepreneurs. You're coming to our leadership conference Unpacked Leadership Conference on October 3rd. So you're always looking for ways to help, but you also are reaching out to get people to help you in your organization. When you think about leadership in the space and it's changed drastically over the years. We've known each other and even before we knew each other. What do you enjoy most about the work that you do in leadership?
Speaker 3:You know, I think there are two things I would say that I enjoy most. I shared this last week when I was in South Carolina. Right, ultimately, leadership is about understanding that you bring the weather, you set the context in which work gets done, and if you aren't setting up the right circumstances, people can't thrive, they don't feel whole, they're not able to fully contribute, they're not able to bring their relevant self to the workplace. Yes, I said relevant, not authentic. We can talk about that later if you want, but at the end of the day, what I love about doing this is helping organizations which is really the people and the leadership in organizations understand what does it mean to bring humanity to work and how does that create competitive advantage for your business? Because we know it does and oftentimes we act like it doesn't.
Speaker 2:You know. So, before we dive into a ton of questions which I do have, you know, in the time we'll spend with everyone I want to pause briefly, though. You're going to be releasing a podcast, so I would love to market that, because this is about marketing, but it's also about adding value to you and I and to the people that listen to us. So we want to be a service, so go ahead If you could drop that. You got this podcast coming up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I do have a podcast that's coming out with a co-host of mine. It's called the Rules have Changed, and we started recording conversations very similar, ron, to the conversations you and I have behind the scenes and we said you know, the world needs to hear these conversations about how the rules have changed in life, in love, in work, right, the way in which we live, the way in which we do. Life has evolved, and people aren't talking about the fact that the way in which you had to navigate your life yesterday and the way in which you need to navigate your life today are not the same. They're just not the same, and so giving people an opportunity to understand that and to be able to have the skills and the tools and the resources necessary to navigate that it's critically important, and so that's what we're hoping to do with the Rules have Changed.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, yes, I love it. The Rules have Changed, so stay tuned. It's coming out, Dr Cornelia, and I know it's going to be. You know she's really authentic about the conversations, as she mentioned earlier. So please, please, we'll drop more information at the end. I wanted to pause just to make sure we recognize what you're doing and other people can find other resources, which we both want to provide resources. So, Dr Cornelia, I want to dive into some of the things I'm thinking as I listen and as I know you pretty well and the work that you do. You've watched a lot of leaders. You know over time what are some of the common mistakes that leaders make when they're trying to develop others and what should they avoid. Mistakes that leaders make when they're trying to develop others and what should they avoid. So, when you think about me as running a company, I have to develop my talent on my team. What are some common mistakes you see leaders making when they're developing others?
Speaker 3:I think the biggest mistake. There are two. I think one is that they expect people to be like them, to think like them, to solve problems like them, to approach work like them, and innovation happens at the point of conflict, and conflict doesn't happen unless you have people who think differently than you, who see the world differently than you. And then I think the second mistake that people make is they get caught up in their own bias, and when they get caught in their own bias, it can literally cost you everything.
Speaker 3:I think about two nonprofits One made the news, one did not, both of which went out of business because their founder did something that was inappropriate, right, and it was steeped in their bias, right. I think about a very well-known coach. I won't say her name just because I won't be sued for slander, but you know she posted something in her community after george floyd died and it went viral and she lost millions of dollars because of her own lack of awareness and her own bias and her own preconceived notions. And so I think leaders have to really get clear that your bias is costing you and your desire to surround yourself with people who are like you is preventing you from innovating and creating new spaces and opportunity for your business.
Speaker 2:Can you unpack a little bit? I mean you spoke of it really quick there that innovation happens at this place of conflict. Can you share more about that, because it sounds like real good? I said wait time out. She flew past that, let's back up. Can you share more? Help us understand that.
Speaker 3:I agree with it, but I don't know if everybody gets it, yeah, so the way in which innovation happens is you have to have a point of tension, right, something that is sparking people to do something different. Innovation is about change, right? Not the way you do things today. It's about doing something different. And, ultimately, the way that that tension happens is in the normal day to day conversation, where you think one way and I think another way, and in what Napoleon Hill says when two minds come together, something magical happens. When two minds come together, something magical happens. He refers to it as the mastermind, the third eye, the third mind, and that's where innovation happens. It happens in the ability to say I see it this way, you see it that way. Oh, based on that, what might we create out of those two worldviews? That's not present today.
Speaker 2:Wow, how do you help leaders under Dr Cornelia? How do you help leaders that get stuck and I have to have the answer or it's my project, or it's my company, or it's my organization. Ego is the easiest word, probably, to explain what I'm talking about here. How do you help leaders that ego get in the way of letting that really happen?
Speaker 3:I think it's two things, ron. I think it's ego, and I think it's two things, ron.
Speaker 2:I think it's ego and I think it's fear.
Speaker 3:Okay, right, people say that they are afraid of change. No one is afraid of change. If you were afraid of change, you wouldn't get married, get divorced, have a baby, buy a new house, buy a new car. You wouldn't do any of that if you were afraid of change. What people are afraid of is being out of control, and so the conversations we have with leaders is about this false construct called control, because the truth of the matter is, the only thing you can control is yourself, and sometimes you can't even control that.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Right, and so, if you understand that this notion of control is a false construct, you can then start to engage with people in a way that allows you to have clear intent. Right, what is it that you're trying to do? But be open to how that unfolds, because what we get attached to is the how yes, that we expect it to happen a certain way to look, look a certain way to unfold in a certain way, and if we can let that go and get clear about, here's the thing I want you to do. I need you to create this powerpoint. Here are the standards in which it needs to, you know, happen. It needs to, you know, have our brand colors and it needs this and it needs this content. Right, but if the person does it at two in the morning or two in the afternoon, does it really matter, as long as you have it in time for delivery, right, we get caught up in how people do stuff. We want to control the process and, if you can let go and get clear, I need to do my part. Right, you said earlier, I put in the work. Right, I got to do my part right. Right, you said earlier, I put in the work. Right, I got to do my part right.
Speaker 3:We were talking before we started recording in the green room today about the fact that I have been releasing weight physically in my life. Right To do that. I got to do the work right Before we got on this call. I went for a walk this morning. I took a shower, you're right, I did the things necessary right. When we get off this phone, a piece of salmon and a salad is waiting for me because I got to do the work, but I can't control how fast I lose the weight. I can't control. I can't control that. I can control my controllables.
Speaker 3:Yes, right, I think the other thing the ego part of it is people get so caught up in what other people think about them and so if you don't understand, you don't understand that other people's opinion of you is none of your business, because it's not driven by you. It's not. It's driven by how they see the world and what they think is supposed to happen and what they think is important and what they think matters. And if you don't understand, that people's opinion of you is not about you, it's about how they see the world through you. Right, I'm going to say it again it's not about you. It's about the way people see the world. Through you you do an action, they get triggered because of their damaged and broken their life experience, and so, if you can understand that, it makes it easier for you to make the authentic choice for yourself, what matters most to you, right? How do you live that authentically, instead of getting caught up in what people think you should want, should do, should say, should wear, should act?
Speaker 2:I mean, kenia has so much for me to unpack here, but I'm going to say some of that because she'll be joining us on October 3rd at a conference and you'll get to hear some more and she's also a speaker and she's traveling, so we'll give you, as they do in SAMS, we'll give you a sample today, so that way you can want to know more and go to her podcast and her platform as well. What are you currently learning or unlearning about leadership now?
Speaker 3:What I'm learning about leadership is one kindness always matters, right, and I want to draw the different distinction between being kind and being nice. Like nice is not a value, right? You and I have had that conversation before. Right, like nice is not the thing. And it's not the thing because it's often disingenuous. Right, but kind is what you want to be, and the best way that you can be kind to other people is to be clear. Right, and I've seen it where people have not been clear, have been manipulative, have attempted to move their agenda forward without kind of trying to throw a stone and hide their hand by moving their agenda forward. So I think this notion of being present and being kind is something I'm learning has huge impact for the retention and advancement of mission critical talent. Right. At the end of the day, if people feel respected, that's part of the reason why they feel respected, because you've just been kind, said another way, you're treating people in a humane manner. I think the thing that we need to unlearn is the notion and listen. Thank you for your service.
Speaker 3:I'm about to make a military analogy, so don't get your gun out, but I think the hierarchy of our military systems, which was how leadership was first framed right when organizations started. We took the military model and applied it to the workplace, and I think what has done us a disservice in that model is that innovation can come from anywhere. A good idea can come from anywhere, and when you have a hierarchical structure, you can often miss the good ideas people have. That would move your business forward exponentially faster. In metaphysics, we talk about making a quantum leap. You've seen it happen with startups. Right? I'll use Instagram as the example. Right, they wanted to sell Instagram I think it was, for it was like for $1 billion, and they sold it to Meta for 10 billion, like it was. It was a ridiculous deal. They made a quantum leap. They did that in part because Mark Zuckerberg knew the vertical integration that was going to happen with Facebook and that he was going to turn it into a billion dollar business.
Speaker 3:Yes, but that would not have happened if the people, if he was of the mindset that said you know, nobody here but me has a good idea, cause I would bet a whole lot of money that somebody else in meta was like hey, this thing is happening in Instagram, let's vertically integrate it and do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right, same thing happened with Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs came up with a lot of ideas, but I'm telling you whether it was the iPad, the iPhone, the iMini, the MacBook Pro XYZ. Somebody else came up with some of those ideas and had those leaders been stuck in, it has to be my idea, it has to be my ego. Their businesses wouldn't have exploded the way that they have. They just wouldn't have because it wouldn't have been possible.
Speaker 2:Wow, I love it. I'm learning about how to get out of your own way. Like, the best ideas don't always come from the top Matter of fact, very rarely do they come from me. In my organization, there are a lot of smart people, and how do you intentionally create space for people to be smart? Like, intentionally create an environment where people can be smart and can bring it to work every day? Which leads me to our next question. As we look at our time here, we talk a lot about culture. We talk a lot about strategy. You and I spend tons of time in there. What is it that? A company? But for all our people that are in companies, that are listening, that are in leadership roles, what would they notice about their company's culture that says, hey, you may want to call either on or Dr Cornelia, what's happening that can be very disruptive, that they will notice?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so understand who your canary in the coal mine is Right, based on your business and based on who your mission critical talent is. Do you understand the triggers that are causing those key people to leave your organization, to be disgruntled? That's thing one. If you understand the canary in the coal mine and they're starting to behave differently, complain, whatever, you probably need to call one of us. If you're in your environment, the physical place, the physical space that you're in, and you recognize it's not humane, it's not designed for humans to do work, you probably need to call us.
Speaker 3:If you're in a situation and circumstance where you're having problems you don't understand, you should call us because all business problems are people problems. There's not a single problem in your business that you have that's not a people problem. And if you don't understand what's happening, it means you don't understand pieces of the human condition that are contributing to the negative business results that you're getting. So you should call us. And then, lastly, if you're looking to grow Right, because we don't just solve problems, we help people strategize on how they're going to grow their business and how they're going to expand the capacity of their people. And so if you're really ready or you're experiencing a huge growth spurt and opportunity. You absolutely should be calling us Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, love it. Dr Keneally, when you think about who you are, what you've done, the question I have for you that's coming to mind, for all those that are listening, is how important was it for you to have mentors and I say that plural and coaches along the way, because oftentimes you want to do it by yourself or you don't want to hire a coach because you don't want to make the investment and you've made a ton of investments in your professional development. How important has that been to you being who you are today?
Speaker 3:So you know, I mean my very first mentor, as you know, is the vice president of my company today, right, and she's had a distinguished career in her own right as a senior vice president and chief XYZ officer of her long time employer.
Speaker 3:I have probably spent, on my mindset alone, six figures, right. I worked with one of the nation's top mindset coaches. Every day for three years, every morning at 9am, I was on a call with him and about a hundred other entrepreneurs talking about what I'm thinking about and how that's impacting my ability to do work, and that was not clearly six figures is not a cheap investment, right? So it's been invaluable to me. I mean, I'm working with a coach right now and she last week I was preparing to share the stage with some very well-known speakers and we were talking about strategizing, like what happens when I get off the stage. She's an eight-figure business owner and she's been doing this a long time and she gave me some really great strategies that are paying off and getting traction, right, and so if you think you have all the right answers, you will stay exactly where you are, and if you stay exactly where you are, you're actually losing ground.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:And so you don't understand that you are either growing or you're dying. Right, you're either moving forward because there is no stagnant Right, everything is always in motion. Right, you're either moving forward because there is no stagnant Right, everything is always in motion, right. And so, if you don't understand, you're moving one way or the other, engaging in ways that are designed to help you unpack the beliefs and the thought patterns that you have that are keeping you stuck, and the only way you can do that is through mentorship and coaching and sponsorship. That's it.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, love it, Love it. And you lined us perfectly up with Dr Cornelia Unpack. We're getting ready to host Unpack Leadership Conference. It's our first leadership conference on our brand. What do you anticipate bringing to our audience? What would you give us a little bit? What do you plan to do? I know you're going to do an activation session. What can people expect in that session with you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, because I think oftentimes people go to events like this right and with no real way to activate their learning, and so I'm looking forward to supporting the process over the course of the day to help people think through what are the things that are important to remember, to remember about this experience, and what are the things that I want to integrate and who do I need to be? Based on what I'm learning, not what do I need to do? Who do I need to become? What habits do I need to let go of? What beliefs do I need to let go of? What thought patterns do I need to abandon? What do I need to embrace? What beliefs, thought patterns, actions do I need to take on to become the leader I say I want to be, and so helping people unpack that no pun intended is what I'm really looking forward to doing.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I'm excited. I mean I'm getting ready for the conference. I'm excited at what you're doing in your podcast, so I'll tell everyone come join us. It's not going to be your traditional conference. For everyone that's listening. We're not coming in and worried about the breakfast or the lunch and you get to shake a couple of hands and you write a couple of notes and then you're off back to business as usual. This is going to be a coachable, transparent, lean in, do the work, action planning conference. This is going to be one of the most well-designed professional development conferences that we're going to host in Columbia, south Carolina, and we got some phenomenal speakers. That's going to contribute to that. For you, what do you want to share with anybody as we begin to wind down about your organization, or what you want to offer? Any books, any programs, anything you want to share as we begin to wrap up this particular segment of ourI-A? So D-R-C-O-R-N-E-L-I-Acom slash podcast.
Speaker 3:That's where I would send you. There's some freebies there that you can download about consciously engineering your culture for success and bringing humanity into your workplace. You can get the link to get the book and there's some other resources there. There's also going to be a link to the podcast when we get ready to launch it, so you can find out more about the podcast there.
Speaker 3:I think the biggest thing I would say to leaders and to folks listening is the end of the day, you are a reflection of the five people you spend the most time with, and your net worth the studies show your net worth is about within $10,000, I think is the number of the five people that you spend the most time with, and so if you don't like what your life looks like as a leader, you need to change the people you're spending time with. If you don't like what your business looks like as a leader, you need to change the people you're spending time with. If you don't like what your business looks like as a leader, you need to change the people you're spending time with. If you don't like what your marriage looks like, what your partnerships look like, what your family looks like, you need to change the five people you spend the most time with, because that is what's going to up level your ability to actually do something different, because you're going to have people who are doing different things, who can support you in a different way. Right, my coach, my current coach, last week was in Thailand, right Over there, looking at acquiring three new businesses in Thailand. And so it is. Your life is going to be a reflection of the people that you spend the most time with.
Speaker 3:So do inventory. You know, as Damon John said. I heard him speak several months ago and one of the things he said is every year he purges his friend list, he takes a look at all of his relationships, he evaluates them and says where am I growing, where am I being of contribution, where am I being contributed to? And if the list of his requirements aren't being met, it's not that he kicks you to the curb like you don't matter, because everybody matters. As you always say, people always matter, right, but at the end of the day, he has to make a decision because his time is valuable. Well, so do you, because your time is valuable too. So think about who are the people that you're spending the most time with and what are they giving you? Are they edifying you? Are they supporting you? Are they creating opportunity for you to grow and develop? Are they exposing you to new opportunities? Are they helping you to stay stuck in your current level of mediocrity?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I love it. I love it. And I will tell you, we've been around each other for years and the one thing that I do appreciate a lot about you is always striving to be better than you was yesterday. And I tell people, whatever your best is today, there's potential and room for it to be better tomorrow. So don't get comfortable. You did a great job today, thank you, awesome, but tomorrow I do want better, and that's in your marriage, that's in your relationship, that's in your health, that's in your finances. It should be better every day, and so I love that you're saying that, because I think sometimes, as people, we get comfortable and complacent and we stay in those circles because it doesn't stretch us or require us to do something different.
Speaker 2:So I'm telling you, on Unpacked or with Dr Cornelio and myself and companies, that you get a chance. Please get a coach, please be around a group of people that want to see the best for you and more for you. And that's not just about money, that's about all of the parts of your life, and I think oftentimes, dr Cornelio, people want to just attribute it to money, or people will tell you that money ain't everything. I don't think it is, but it drives a lot. Let's be honest. It's like oxygen you can't get stuff done without it. So don't be afraid to make money, but people matter. Dr Keneally, it's been phenomenal. You've been great on the show. Any last minute remarks you want to leave with us before we wrap up.
Speaker 3:Listen. In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you tolerate. If you don't do anything else, don't listen to anything else that I've said today. Uple, don't do anything else. Don't listen to anything else that I've said today. Up-level your life by eliminating the things that you tolerate. It's the easiest place to start. People often ask how can I change? How can I actually live a life that I've designed? One of the best ways to do that is to eliminate the things that you tolerate in your life, in your relationships, in your workplace. If it's something that you don't want to see there, do the work to change it.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. Thank you so much, dr Cornelia, and thank y'all for hanging with us. Feel free to follow either one of us. You can go out and really see us on LinkedIn. It's probably a place you'll find a lot of information about both of us For all of you that always come to the show. Thank y'all for supporting the podcast. Thank you for referring your friends Again. Ron Harvey, with Unpacked Leadership, excited about the work that we do and the value that we get to add to so many people across this entire country. I'm looking forward to you on the next episode. So until then, dr Keneally and I will sign off and we will see you on the next episode, y'all have a great day.
Speaker 1:Well, we hope you enjoyed this edition of Unpacked Podcast with leadership consultant Ron Harvey. Remember to join us every Monday as Ron unpacks sound advice, providing real answers for real leadership challenges. Until next time, remember to add value and make a difference, where you are, for the people you serve, because people always matter.
